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When will Perl 6 be available

OK - I have been asked this question so MANY times and ... up it came again this morning in a conference session presented by one of the developers and attended by the originator ;-)

"THERE IS NO OFFICIAL ANSWER"

Best current estimate - a year from now to a Beta release - that's October 2005
A further year to a production release - that's October 2006

Please do not treat this as anything more than a guestimate, and if it's 2005 by the time you're reading this (I wrote it mid October 2004) please look elsewhere on this site for my updates.

We already have a module on Perl 6 that we can include into our Perl courses already to give forward-lookers a view of the future and to help them plan.
(written 2004-10-15, updated 2008-05-11)

Commentatorsays ...
gje:An addition. The guestimate above was sorta-confirmed in a talk by Larry Wall yesterday - but be careful; he joked that he never promises a date that's 6 months either side of Christmas ...

More seriously, alpha release, summer 2005 perhaps. Beta a few months later, production a year after that. BUT getting it right is far more improtant than having it rushed.
(comment added 2004-10-16 05:14:59)
Custard:I just hope it attracts a better 'class' of coder ;-)

Not that I'm elitist or anything, but some of the books you can still buy in bookshops teach some awful things in perl that should have died long ago.
And I've seen some recent code that is just a bit scary.

I shall also be glad when people stop referring to my large perl programs as 'scripts'.

In some ways perl is it's own worst enemy by letting people write code in shell style and without strictures and warnings enabled by default. (For historical reasons, I know)

But perl6 has the opportunity to start over with a fresh outlook, so I am waiting in anticipation. (In fact I'm not waiting at all, the code for Parrot and Perl 6 is available for download...)

Or am I too pretentious? (Is that the right word?)

B
(comment added 2004-10-21 20:50:43)
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